Sunday, March 24, 2013

Serapis and Jesus: Ray Hagins is Wrong

Ray Hagins
Those of you familiar with this blog know I have conversed with Hagins before and that several people have offered him thousands of dollars for a primary source regarding many of his key claims about ancient history (Hagins will no longer converse with me).  For example, his claims that the Hindu Krishna, Egyptian Horus and Persian Mithras were born of a virgin on December 25th and the whole nine-yards. You can watch yours truly flog that dead horse here.

I’d like to use this series to refute many of his key claims since they still get circulated heavily on the internet.  To kick off, we will start with an extremely popular howler of his: the Serapis letter.

In Hagin’s presentation on the council of Nicaea, he belabors the claim that Christianity is based in pre-Christian, Egyptian religion and that Jesus never really existed.  To start with, I challenge anyone reading this blog to name a single living scholar on earth holding a Bible or Classics related academic chair at any university who holds either of those positions. Here’s a hint: Big name New Testament scholars and researchers like Richard Carrier, Gary Habermas and Bart Ehrman have assessed those two extensively and there isn’t a single scholar holding a related university chair on earth who maintains either.

Serapis in all his
cup-headed glory
Hagins tries to show Christianity and Jesus evolved out of Egyptian religion by quoting the following correspondence “dated” to AD 134:

“Egypt, which you commended to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconsistent, and continually wafted about by every breath of fame.  The worshipers of Serapis [here] are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis [I find], call themselves Bishops of Christ.”

So what’s the big deal?  In short, this letter is a widely known forgery.  It’s a fake.

Despite the obvious fact that the letter (if it were authentic) would be a century too old to demonstrate any meaningful Christian etiology, it is part of a late 4th century forgery entitled Historia Augusta.  The Historia Augusta contains so many anachronisms that it is easily dated to AD 395.   The “Serapis letter” itself is full of anachronisms demonstrating this point. Hadrian was only in Egypt in 130, and the letter mentions his adopted son Lucius Aelius, who Hadrian did not adopt until six years after. Hadrian also salutes Servianus as consul, but Servianus did receive position as consul until 134. The letter also mentions the “Patriarch of Jewry,” a position that did exist until he created it after the Jewish Revolt in 132.

Glanwill W. Bowersock, in a proceeding volume of the Genevan conference on the Historiae Augusae gives a scholastic survey of the dating of the texts.  He writes:

“The presence of fiction in the Historia Augusta is by now an established fact.  The mischievous author of this work pretended, as we all know, to be writing historical biographies; but this pretense, though compelling the inclusion of genuine historical material, imposed no perceptible limits on his wit and invention.”[1]

Günter Stemberger (PhD Jewish studies, Innsbruck and Göttingen), commenting on the Serapis letter confirms, “We should hardly assume the existence of an actual event on which these remarks were based.”[2]

There you have it.  This source vaunted all over the web on Kemetic and free-thinking sites is a sham and everyone in the Classical field is aware of its dubious nature.  The text is centuries too old to be written by who Hagins says it is, and it is far too late to contain any meaningful historical data which the forgery pretends to relate.



[1] “The Aethioica of Heliodorus and the Historia Augusta,” in Historia Augusta: Colloquium Genevense II., ed. Giorgio L. Bonamente (Italy: Edpuglia, 1994), 43.

[2] Jews and Christians in the Holy Land: Palestine in the Fourth Century, (Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 2000), 244-5.

163 comments:

  1. Anonymous, Ehrman was never a pastor.

    Cujo600, Ehrman has written extensively on the historical Jesus, and is America's most famous New Testament scholar. As a non-believer, he emphasizes the point I've argued in this post.

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    1. Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you about Ehrman's conclusions, I was merely answering Anonymous' implication that Ehrman has "seen it all" as a pastor and has now chosen the "more logical" position of unbelief. I fully agree with Ehrman and others' conclusion that Egyptian religion has nothing to do with the origin of Christian beliefs.

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    2. Ray Higgins is right! You twist story up because your was ARE corrupt! No Jesus! Never have been Nature is My way of life Ancestors Worship!

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    3. In the mouths of two or three witnesses let every word be established. Dr. Hagins information is confirmed by ashra kwesi,dr.cheikh anta diop,dr. John henrik clark and quite a few others. Either historical fact is wrong or you are deliberately misleading people for your own personal gain.

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    4. In the mouths of two or three witnesses let every word be established. Dr. Hagins information is confirmed by ashra kwesi,dr.cheikh anta diop,dr. John henrik clark and quite a few others. Either historical fact is wrong or you are deliberately misleading people for your own personal gain.

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    5. James Griffith, the words of two or three witnesses means nothing if they all got them for an erroneous source. Kwesi, Clark, Browder, Ben Jochannan, et al are notorious for fact twisting and drawing from authors like Massey and Kersey Graves who basically published wild unsubstantiated and long-debunked theories and called it history. These so-called "conscious" authors just rehash the same bunk over and over and then quote each other and get paid large speaking fees to dupe new generations of folks who don't fact check or know how to research. So no, it's not that multiple witnesses established truth. It's that if you repeat a lie over and over again, eventually you can get some poor dupes to believe it.

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    6. Exactly what the Roman Catholic Church did for centuries!

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    10. Are you White, or light skinned?
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  2. Please read the book "the pagan Christ" by Tom Harpur. You might learn something. Be careful of your Greco-Roman literature. Pay attention to some Nubi-Kem-Ethiopia literature. I see you aren't open enough to understand Ancient Puanit Traditions

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    1. http://www.tektonics.org/harpur01.html

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  3. How can you count Habermas and Carrier as legitimate scholars? H. is some kind of apologist,a and Carrier is just a crackpot. He does think there was no historical Jesus, however.

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  4. Nevertheless, you nor any scholar will deny that the name or phrase Jesus is in fact Hail Zues. Why can't we just call Him by the Hebrew name that He was given at birth? Yeshia. Calling Him by His birth given name solves all of the Council of Nicae issues. Yes the Holy Scriputres (Bible) has many flaws that were injected by mankind. However, with proper guidance one can relearn the Bible and redevelop a new found love for the scriptures all over again as did I.

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    1. wouldnt that translate to Joshua then? and what happened to ImManuel?

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    2. The New Testament follows the Septuagint and transliterates Yeshua as Iesous. The shin exchanged for sigma as its closest Greek equivalent and the ending modified for grammatical reasons as a masculine personal name. That is the name the New Testament writers themselves use for Jesus. From the Greek the word was transliterated to Latin IESVS. The "I" was popularly traded for a "J" in the 17th century after English underwent standardization in the Great Vowel Shift. The name has nothing to do with Zues, nor did Nicaea. That's silly.

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    3. How can you use a text as Scripture, yet believe that it has flaws? By default if a text has flaws because of mankinds influence, the whole text must be thrown out as a fake. Who are you to take a text written almost 2000 years ago and decide that certain parts mean this or that this part is true, while this phrase is false? That is an illogical believe in a system doomed to fail. By definition, in this way you are creating your own religion as opposed to finding the truth. As sinful human beings we cannot find the truth within ourselves because of that sinful nature itself.
      Basically this mans' teachings contradict themselves in so many ways, it would be impossible to follow him without throwing out all common sense and blindly taking everything he has to say.

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    4. If historians took your advice and threw anything out with errors then we will have to throw out millions of ancient texts and get rid of the discipline of textual criticism. Fortunately, historians know that throwing out texts that were copied by hand because they contain a few spelling errors is unreasonable and unintelligent.

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    5. Lesous is the Greek name and mathematical equal too 888 which means SUN END OF GAME Christianity is finished for this new AGE

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  5. I think you are doing an awesome job! Keep studying Ben!

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    1. It is obvious that the bible was tampered. 2 Timothy 3:16 All scriptures are given by God, and are profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, instruction for rigbteousness.
      Why would God Yahawah inform us of these issues if he knew they would come about.
      That is why he tells us to Study.2 Timothy 2:15
      Study to shew thyself approved unto God,a workman that needeth not be ashamed,rightly dividing the word of truth.
      People are not lookin at the truth, or tryin to resolved the truth, all we are into the worldly aspects of thing. Easily to not do the work, but be able to depict from white washed and truth history.

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  6. Ben my friend take off the blinders and do a true unbiased research on all ancient cutures and you'll find out that Judaism/Christianity/Catholicism/Islam all are contemporay religions that mimc their ideas from anceint neighboring cultures that had commandment laws, creation stories, resurrections, adorations, and anunciations way before Judeo-Christianity was heard of. These philosophies/myths existed in ancient cultures like Nubia, Kemet, Chaldean, Greece, South America, Ireland, India etc. etc. Be a scholar not a follower. The early fathers of Christianity Mythology (yes I said it "CHRISTIAN MYTHS) know this to be true however, their followers are terrified to search for truth...it's a form of mental slavery in which you suffer of mainly due to fear!!!

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    1. Dear contentious contributor, as one invested in the mythos of such a vast array of ancient history, one would expect you should be able to distinguish the adjectival form of Chaldea, or spell at least the words "ancient," "culture" or "contemporary."

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    2. I have over last few years gone from main stream Christian to follower of Yeshua.I began by studying history and revealing the Paganism out of my belief. I dont think anyone could create the gospels the new and old fit togeather with treads binding them each of no use without the other. I agree paganism runs deep in mainstream christianity and needs to be pointed out with a loud voice.restore Gods festivals and do away with others created by men and youll find all to be pagan.Is this guy saying Yeshua didnt exist thats as antichrist as the pagans he talks about.

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    3. As I understand Hebrews were first to use alphabet so historians expect us to believe the world predates the bible so they think they suddenly become smart and for the million years before they were monkeys.The only thing that changes is germs etc.Man did suddenly get smart thats when man and women ate from the forbidden tree I think the evjdence to overwhelmingly in favour of bible than science there not as smart as they make out .Ive seen devises made thousands of years ago science flat out working them out.Worldly wisdom of a scholar is way short to a true follower.Rather than being sidetracked The message still the same turn from your sin as time is running out.He is at the door but as for the world whos spirit is dead or self rightous Clear warning falls on deaf ears.

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    4. please dont correct my spelling it isnt smart but is pious.

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    5. How can you criticize Ray Haggins for doing his own research? It is a proven fact that when a European writes anything about African history, many things will be hidden about the African. Imhotep was the first physician but the doctor's here and abroad aren't taught that.
      As a matter of fact, are you fluent on reading the Mdu Ntr, better known as the Hieroglyphics in Greek terms? I don't rely on Europeans version of history starting with the invasion of Ancient Kemet by Alexander the Barbarian.
      When my conscious woke up and I started doing my own research dating back to Cush and Nubia, I see the lies and myths that the European has lied about. I do my own research and not parade around on someone else's work. We're you there during the Nicean counsel under the order of Emporer Constantine when he ordered the image be made of the Jesus the Roman Catholic Church created? Yes Jesus Christ was created and never existed outside of the bible and no Hebrews were enslaved in Kmt for 400 or else it would go have been written in their history as well. Even some prestigious Rabbis are conceding on the slaves in Egypt for 400 who did an exodus and wandered around in the Sinai desert for another 40 years by a Moses who was supposedly had been an Egyptian and went through the Mystery system for 40 years and would have never went against it no more than a devout Christian would convert to Islam.
      What make you god to the point you are an expert on history?

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    6. There is so much evidence in the authenticity of Christian or biblical texts. Obviously there were ideas that had seemingly similar ideas. The world was not that big in ancient times. Ben, you're doing a great job! Hotep, Hagin followers and all like people love to argue but can only refer to youtube & Hidden Colors videos and proven fake materials like the one above as well as irrational comparisons to stories like Horus and Krishna but when you ask for verifiable proof and documentation , they provide none, call you names and say you've brainwashed.

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    7. There is so much evidence in the authenticity of Christian or biblical texts. Obviously there were ideas that had seemingly similar ideas. The world was not that big in ancient times. Ben, you're doing a great job! Hotep, Hagin followers and all like people love to argue but can only refer to youtube & Hidden Colors videos and proven fake materials like the one above as well as irrational comparisons to stories like Horus and Krishna but when you ask for verifiable proof and documentation , they provide none, call you names and say you've brainwashed.

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    8. Who is to say that info was put there to discourage us from the truth! That thing about Serapis Christus is to cloud your mind. If that info of Christus was easily found. That mean there is info on the Messiah, we have to decipher that information.

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    9. Well Said my Brother

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    10. If you believe that the Bible is the word of God, that it is the truth and not a lie, that Jesus is incapable of lying, then you absolutely believe what Jesus said and believe you can take it to the bank, meaning you have faith in it. Jesus said where two or three are gathered in his name, there he would be also. If your faith in Jesus is small as a mustard seed, meaning you only need very little. If you really are trying to convince people that you walk by faith, blind faith, then you should be able to do what Jesus did. That's what your Bible says. You should be able to say to a mountain, move from here to there and it will obey you. I don't want to put a strain on your faith so I won't ask you to do something complicated, like healing someone who is sick,or move a mountain, I want to see you walk on water. Too further not stress your faith,I will only allow you to test your foolishness in water only knee deep, so you won't drown yourself. Any information is easily found if you study. But there isn't a whole lot out there on the greatest white man in history. It's strange how they have found human remains that are over ten thousand years old, but no Jesus Christ. He even has 18 years of his life just missing, and Christians offer no explanation as what he was doing for those missing 18 years. All you get is a bunch of conjecture.

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    11. Man this thing is very deep. I mean deep. people have built business empires out of this. People are rich out of this. Wow! Every day a church comes up that tells you to put in this money into this bank account and see your life change. Are these guys now investment bankers? I live in Africa and people have been reach out of preaching. People have fought and still fighting over deceased estates of parents that set up churches for the sake of religion This is not the way it is suppose to be. Surely this was not the intent of the holy people of the past. All of them were down to earth people. I am inclined to believe people who dig deeper. Things cannot stay as they are forever! I support all efforts to dig deeper.

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  7. I seem to find it interesting. Hagin has lead me to do my research if nothing else. I was born into Christianity and was forbidden to ask questions outside the box. But at age 35, I am on a quest for knowledge that no man, preacher, blogger, youtuber, etc. Can solve or quench, #gainknowledge!!!

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    1. Keep searching. No man can teach you.

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    2. Never be afraid to study for fear of what you may discover. Truth crushed to the earth shall rise again. Your study should not be to prove or disapprove the above theories, but to get to know your creator. You must before you die discover who you really are and who is your creator. Someone has gone through lots of trouble to hide the answers from you, why? If you never answer those question, you are destined to be lost forever. Seek truth and you will find God. Seek the truth of others and you find lies.

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    3. I really needed to hear those words. Thank you for the encouragement.

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    4. Uh, well you make a lot of assumptions there bubba. After more searching than probably both of you combined I concluded that god is probably not real for many (very many) reasons including imperfections in our own bodies, lack of communication, numerous contradictions in every religious text, and finally the fact that any human can write a story like that in the bible with ease. Last, and this is specific to Christianity (since I was part of the religion), falsified statements about evidence. The first real record of Jesus anywhere is a letter written between two Romans about a church that claims Romans crucified their god... here is the problem. This letter is about 60 years AFTER Jesus supposedly died. Basically, there is no evidence of Jesus existence anywhere in all of Roman records during his life span.

      Nothing about his birth which was a huge deal. Nothing about all the miracles that supposedly effected so many people. Nothing about his followers during his life. And finally nothing about the events during his death. NOTHING. All of it was written more than 80 years after he died by people who were not even alive during his life. based on life spans back then, the people who wrote his story were likely 3-4 (grandkids and great grandkids) generations separated from the person they are talking about.

      Think about that a second. How can all of rome encounter an eclipse, earthquake, miracles, baby killings, etc and not a single person wrote a letter about it? Really? What about his supposed followers? Not a single one of them wrote down anything while they were around him all those years? Do you really believe that? I dont.

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    5. Anonymous, as you continuing searching, if you end up rejecting Jesus Christ in the process, I can tell you exactly where you will end up. You will eventually reject the New Testament, the Old Testament, the entire Bible and start to believe other "interesting and fascinating" things as substitutes for belief in God because you will have to reject God altogether also. Then you have to begin your search for something else to believe in because everybody believes something - if not God then what. Those who believe that there is no God are very clear on what they do not believe but are many times unclear on what they DO BELIEVE. When you reject God, self naturally replaces Him as the highest and most powerful entity in the world from which everything was generated. I think two of the most logical replacements for God are self or some ancestral spirits. Some go further to to trace their origin to extraterrestrial beings. When you reject God and Jesus Christ you will end up in one of these positions. If not, you might fall back on one of the existing religions claiming you have now found the truth. Be careful. Just a thought while I continue to love and serve Jesus Christ because I have no justifiable reason to deny or reject Him.

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    6. Mr. Anonymous, about the age issue - my grandfather was born in 1925 which was 92 years ago and he has a son alive right now who can give all the details of his life 92 years after with great accuracy and that is the oldest son. My deceased grandfather also has children who know most things about is life and all the details of his death and they will most likely live for at least another 30 years making it 120 years roughly and still being able to give such details about my grandfather 120 years after his birth. I am a grandchild who lived with him and saw him get sick, stroke, suffer, sat with him in our swing and was present when he died. So at least 120 after his birth I would still be able to give those details accurately just as am telling Mr. Anonymous" today 92 years after his birth, so for people to write 60 , 70, 80, 90 to 120 years after the birth of Jesus Christ can give accurate information about His life. Be careful how you reject and watch where you will end up if you do. I am seeing it with my own eyes right now that's why I gave that warning. So long.

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    7. Dr Haggins is a good start remember there is not one peace of evidence in Egypt that say those people were real people in the middle east iE north Africa Just Plagarized stories

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    1. It did not refute him. Remember this...the word says there will be a remnant, meaning a few. The majority believes Christianity is the way. The majority, but the word says a remnant shall remain. Stick w/the minority.

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  9. Jesus (Son of Zeus) of Nazareth is not Yahuahshua (Son of Yahuah) of Natsareth. Christianity is a creation and mixture of Pagan Sun Worship - Mithras and Mashiak Yahuahshua with all the Hebraic foundations removed to fit Greco-Roman mindset . Greco-Roman/Egyptian-Greco mindset is a derivative of Ancient Babylon whose entire bent was to alienate mankind to the Torah of Yahuah. It looks like it has been very effective. It will take a revelation from Yahuah - Creator of heaven and earth. Except a man be born again he cannot see the Reign of Yahuah. May the eyes of your understanding be enlightened to the powers of Yahuah and powers of darkness that continually seek to enslave the thoughts men and hold them captive. In Ha Shem Yahuahshua Ha Mashiak.

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    1. I encountered this exact same thing extolling/exalting the Hebrew language. Well, those people drifted so far that they have rejected the Hebrew language, the New Testament, the entire Bible, Torah, God and are now looking for extraterrestrial beings. That is just how the domino effect works I suppose. Now they are not sure what they believe and cannot tell me clearly exactly what they believe. Of course, they can write many books on what they do not believe but not even one page on what they do believe. Lord have mercy on them.

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  10. Thanks a lot Ben for giving us the truth. I knew there had to be an explanation to the madness that's been poured out all over the net.
    I question for you is this. What of the writings that seem to look like the ten commandments that are in the book of the dead is it true that they are older then the bible?

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    1. My dear ,Ben did not give us the Truth as you call it. The Truth is Christianity as we know it is a complete adaptation of the Egyptian Religion.To get to the ultimate truth you must be a seeker of the very truth you seem to know about.As a Christian which I assume that you are,you must look at the evidence that you will find to lead you to that truth..Many Sacred Cows may have to be slaughtered without Mercy,and no doubt this is very hurtful and upsetting at first,but at last you will know the Truth that will finally set you free.There is no historical record of Jesus the Christ,but however the Lord Jesus was modeled after Horus the Egyptian logos,sun of the God Osiris and Goddess Isis.Seek Truth.Good Luck to you my dear.

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    2. Here's your challenge, try to name and cite a single living scholar on earth holding an academic chair in New Testament at any university on earth who holds the position that Jesus never existed. Name a single one.

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    3. I have a question Ben, how come the bible mentions many religions of the times, but fail to mention the cult of Serapis which is well documented history with artifacts and also started around the same time of the "so-called" birth of Jesus, and flourished well after his so called death for hundreds of years? And why is it that many New Testament scholars do agree he exist but can't pin point when exactly? Also to can any of your chair holder academic scholar produce a artifact, a picture, or some sort historical writing about this famous character besides two roman histographers?

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    4. It is not true that Serapis worship started around the same time as the birth of Christ since Ptolemy I founded it in the third century. The Hebrew Bible predates this period so we would not expect it to mention the cult. The New Testament is concerned with the geography of first century Judea. Again, we would not expect it to mention historical occurrences in Egypt.

      You are also wrong that New Testament scholars don't know when exactly Jesus lived. There is a small margin for error of a couple years entertained for his birth, but everyone agrees it was in the first century.

      In response to the question, "Can any of your chair holder academic scholar produce a artifact, a picture, or some sort historical writing about this famous character besides two roman histographers?" The answer is yes. Habermas' book contains plenty of primary sources. R. T. France has also written a book on the subject. Let me say that your apparent assumption that we can't use the New Testament to establish historical aspects of Jesus is not accepted by any New Testament scholar I've ever read on the subject. It's a very simple minded and immature approach to history. That's not nice of me to say, but it's reflective of the academic reality. That sort of thinking doesn't fly in the field.

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    5. Why wouldnt you defend a religion made for your people. Stick to your Jesus. And im sure you cool with the image that had been presented to us also. Dont forget that when you change a person's name and identity, that new character is fiction. If someone took my life story and switched my name and changed my appearance, guess what? THE NEW CHARACTER NEVER EXISTED. My story is real but that new character is not me. But like I said, its not in your best interest to give credit to Africans, your whiter than a fresh pair of socks. At least Plato and the crew admitted they learned in Africa

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    6. Faith is essence of things hope for and the evidence of things not seen.....our faith should be in what GODhas already done in and through CHRIST ....HATS OFF TO YOU BEN I TO AM LIKE YOU MEANING ....YOU CANT CHANGE MY MIND...

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    7. The notion of Historical and Physical Evidence being the only criteria to establish existence of something, is a flawed notion. Simply because I can guarantee you that there are people who once existed, but there is neither any Historical nor Physical Evidence available to us to establish that they were here on earth. Sound logic even dictates this in recognition of known occurrences of the past. If there have been unearthed, thousand of bodies of slaves who were discovered in unmarked graves... then it is also logical to accept that there are countless others whose remains have not been found and yet, there is no Physical Evidence known to us that would validate there existence, including no Birth Certificate nor any other Documentation which would lead us to believe that such a person ever existed...but their remains still lie dormant in the grave or in the earth(somewhere). Therefore, we must be careful of thinking that just because we have not found a Physical Gravesite of the man called Jesus...nor other so-called Pertinent Artifacts...that Historically, he didn't exist.

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    8. Also consider this. There are numerous individuals who work for the government in the interest of National Security whose personal information has been erased so that no one could ever find them. Many of these people we know to be "Spies" or "Black Ops Agents". However, just because you can't find any information on them does not mean they do not nor have not existed. It simply means you have not discovered their information. And even if you should never uncover their information, the truth is that they have or have had an existence nonetheless.

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    9. I know some people who slew some of those sacred cows you spoke about Anonymous and they are waiting for a space ship now.

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    10. Remember those who kill their sacred cows also reject the Egyptian mystery religions or do they believe in them, that's why they refer to them? An answer to that question Anonymous would be appreciated. Or is it all just a return to ancient African worship systems? Not sure.

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  11. We shall find the virgin motherhood of Jesus, the divine son ship of Jesus, the miracles of Jesus, the self-sacrifice of Jesus, the humanity of Jesus, the compassion of Jesus, the Sayings of Jesus, the resurrection of Jesus had all been ascribed in earlier ages to Iusa, or Iusu, the son of IusГЈas and of
    Atum-Ra. Thus Egypt was indeed the cradle of Christianity, but not of the current delusion called “historic Christianity”. The saying attributed to the Hebrew deity “out of Egypt did I call my son” was true, but in a sense undreamt of by the Christian world. Such was the foundation of the Jesus-legend in the astronomical mythology with Horus of the inundation on his papyrus, or Iusa=Atum-Horus in the zodiac.
    As we shall see, nothing was added to the Egypto-gnostic “wisdom” by the carnalizers of the Christ in Jerusalem or Rome except the liberalization of the mythos and perversion of the eschatology in a fictitious human history.
    A religion of the cross was first of all established in the mysteries of Memphis as the cult of Ptah and his son Iu-em-hetep, otherwise Atum-Horus, who passed at Annu into Atum-Ra, the father in spirit, with Iusa,
    son of IusГЈas, as the ever-coming Messianic son.
    We have evidence from the pyramid of Medum that from 6,000 to 7,000 years ago the dead in Egypt were buried in a faith which was founded on the mystery of the cross, and rationally founded too,because that cross was a figure of the fourfold foundation on which
    [Page 750]heaven itself was built. TheTat-cross is a type of the eternal in Tattu
    Thus the genesis of the legend of the cross, like to that of the Christ, can be traced in Egypt to the cult of Ptah at Memphis, where the religion of the cross originated; and to Annu or On, where it was continued in the cult of Atum-Ra with Iu-em-hetep as the Egyptian Jesus. This, as we show, was Iusa the Jew-God brought out of Egypt by the Ius or Aius, or when the name is spelt with the letter J, by the Jews.
    Pls. consult Books by Gerald Massey or download pdf for free.Gerald Massey Lectures Egypt Origin of Christianity

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    1. I've already critiqued Massey's book in my Jordan Maxwell documentary available online. I'm not inclined to care about anything Massey had to say because he was 1) writing in the 1800's 2) had no formal academic position in Egyptology and no formal training (meaning he could say pretty much whatever he wanted unchecked).

      Here's an example where a Harvard grad emailed Massey's claims to 20 Egyptologists. They were unanimous that Massey is wrong. http://hnn.us/article/6641

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    2. Why do you keep referring to egyptologist and academic seats? They have an agenda they press on people and cover up alot of things. Just for the fact you keep leaning towards them lets me know how simple and programmed you are. Get yo silly ass outta here. As a matter of fact, go back to caves of the Caucus mountains with your arrogant opinions you think are facts. This is why we cant trust white people. You will never ever ever show respect to nation that TAUGHT your people civilization. And dont it get it twisted, Egypt is in Africa, not the "middle east" which is actually the middle east of Africa. Your "historian" ass has no clue that the indus valley was actually called Eastern Ethiopia at one point.

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    3. The real true Kmt people was not of christian faith first off and we have to start saying the true names to seek truth. We live in a world of lies. The bottom line is the J did not come into the world until 400 years ago. And the study of Islam came first which was not studied by Muslims which just means birth but by the Moors who is the same people as the true Hebrews. And this is why you can't teach in slaved people anything because they do not seek truth. While you have belief I study faith and I bet you will think that is the same. Our meaning our Xi ancestors did not study Christ and our tribal practices was taken from us and know you practice Christian Law lol it's not really a religion. Re- Li-Gion means to restrain and that is what is going on. While you praise religion the true rulers of this world is cracking up right to the bank. Once you close your mind you have lost the battle. I have faith in the true most high and I open up and receive from the ancestors. Stop being followers and lead.

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    4. From the ancestors straight to the extraterrestrials, watch and see. How and what or who did the ancestors worship if that is the way we must go?

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  12. Ben your bible is telling us that god created the devil, nurtured him, allow him to live. But kill millions of people who choose the devil that he created and talks to ever so often... All this and more in old testament which you know

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    1. Ben you have written a good article here and I comend you on your effforts. If you havent heard of yet(which you may) look up Dr. William Lane Craig. Thanks again, this whole New Age thinking is really unfortunate and its too bad people listen to one or two sources that claim to have unprecedented knowledge. As if the rest of the scholars do not matter. People hear new ideas and believe them instead of doing research which undoubtedly leaves room for vast misunderstanding and fallacies.

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    2. Shellz T, I fail to see how the observations you raise cause a problem.

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    3. yes theres alot of terrible things that have been done over many years and a false and pagan mixed version pushed on people.Theres plenty of proof the Bible is true why let evil people who obviously havent found the one true god who bears no symbols or images.Islamic Arabs were killing Africans in big numbers only years ago yet you over look that and point your finger at white skined people .im white but ive never harmed or been racist to a dark skinned person.my wife is islander my daughter tanned.Only love can heal this one and it comes from God who dosnt care about our colour. I feel sorry for you and I see your pain in your words.

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    4. Thats very noble on your behalf but people have to know the truth for themselves. To overlook cold hard evidence is shameful, to say let's forget about it and just love everyone is passive. Why say god does'nt care about color? Evidently god did since we weren't created from grass which is green. There will be most people finding it hard to digest that what they have been be lie ving in for a lifetime could be wrong, therefore taking a deaf ear to the matter.

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  13. African people have never practiced slavery, white people did.

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    1. Sorry Smackitfat but you need to look deeper into history, African (Black) people started slavery, We sold our own first and of course Europeans took it practiced it and so called made it there own. The problem is people are caught up into trying to find out the truth the wrong way. No one wants to acknowledge what ancestral race; if you want to call it were here first. Everyone wants to be first in creating history that they destroy the truth of knowledge throughout all races, genre's and religion, its heartbreaking and despicable. Personally I don't care who was here on earth first, because as a Black woman I refuse to let my history be exiled or extinct.

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    2. Not true smackitfat. We practiced slavery when we warred with neighboring tribes. We took the losers as slaves, then we sold our people to the Portuguese and Europeans in exchange for weapons and other materials. It is a myth that white people just came and took us. The slave trade was funded by the occupying Jews, and Portuguese.

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    3. And Arabs practiced slavery centuries before Europeans.

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  14. Simple as this. Jesus may have existed. I said may have. If upon he did, his life was a plagiarism of previous ancient civilizations. Far too many correlations to just be coincidental. Also the bible is a contradictive book. That is very well coded.Even upon decoding it you will even more so see where things were stole from.Upon being a person of an abundance of melanin. I do not require or desire religion. The history of my melanated skin and melanated civilizations predate ALL religion. Look at the Nubian Kingdom. Upon converting to Christianity the civilization went into decline. Then dissolved. Coincidental? Naw....religion and government are outdated entities & are the bain of human existence. Holding back the truth and in the process enslaving the inhabitants of this earth. Religion is essential to controlling the population mentally. Goverment is the enforcer to control physical. With the both of them in cohesion you get an oppressive tyrannical world. All engineered to keep the "Pyramid Scheme"" in place. ------GOD_BODY........HOTEP

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  15. Ben, Please explain the the problems of the world today? We have people in the Pulpits acting more like Pimps and using the Bible to justify their actions. I may not believe all of what Ray Hagins is teaching but if I am on my way to damnation. I want a Stop sign. Damnation- is the concept of divine punishment and torment in an afterlife for actions committed on earth.

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  16. God also never existed. The word God was invented by the Europeans God is another name for Zeus.
    The Ancient Kame the so called Egyptian never worshiped Any God/dess
    God is newly invention of the European. If you worship God it means you are worshiping the white man. Fire burn God, Gods, Goddess, Goddesses, Jesus is Gay aka saesar Borgio

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    1. Say what you will about jesus; but how can you logically say that God is not real? Someone created man & all the birds, clouds, so on & so on. Your argument is weak saying people invented God. WHAT THE HELL TYPE OF BACKWARD ASS SHIT IS THAT TO SAY. The creation created the creator. HUMBUG!!

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    2. Sounds like what he is saying is all these man made religions have what attached to them. A GOD. So its man who says God and religion are one. The White man went into Egypt and got A Black priest Sylvester I to make himself a god. Alexander the Greek (not great), after 9 years he died and his general Ptolemy Lagi his general took over. He combined Egyptian Osirus and Apus the bull and came up with Serapis.(Jesus) Thats who the Whites took all over the world of people of color and used to enslave the world. So there is no one by the name of Jesus the Christ that ever walked the earth. It is a created creature dissimilar from the father. Who is the father. Black Osirus.

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    3. YOU never existed because NOBODY will remember your inane ramblings.

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    4. What is the evidence for the existence of Ptolemy and Alexander the Great?

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  17. WOW!! If so many have believed that Hagins or any pastor is wrong or mistaken then why deal with religion? 99% of us have learned about it in a church. If we refuse to question and go get the proof for ourselves then it is all in vain. The only place you will find Jesus is in the bible nowhere else. There is no record of him in ancient Kemet (Egypt). Also if the Jews were slaves then how did they get there? And if Jesus is the savior then why does the Jewish community still await him? After all he is their savior not the entire world as led to believe in the bible. Sometime religion clouds the brain and we as people cannot think straight.

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    1. The Jews of today are not the original Jews. They and the Khazars. A warring tribe from Europe. The original Jews were the Ethiopian Falasha Jews. Who were airlifted a few decades ago. And hidden in Israel. They were an original remnant from the Roman and Jewish war of 70 a.d. When the Roman slaughtered the majority. All these truths had to be hidden. For the lies and control of over 3/4 of the planet to be controlled. Now that the truth is coming out, white fraudulent rule and control will wane.

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    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnIEsf_klCg

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    3. I don't understand the need for this black vs. white focus, if this is true then we have all been slaves black and white for a very long time. Your racial dialectic is a waste of time and only further obfuscates a much bigger idea of those who are taking advantage of all of humanity.

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  18. What is the evidence the scholars examined to draw the conclusion Jesus existed?

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    1. Bart Ehrman's Did Jesus Exist? is a good review of the reasons every New Testament scholar in the world holding a chair at a major university believes Jesus was historical.

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  19. Race is definitely a factor in any discussion about religion.

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    1. Yes but race can not and should not be a factor in the solution so to build up unecessary animosity is crippling at best.

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  20. it seems to me that Dr. Hadins has gotten some people worried a little. When a person challege these questions about history or about the "Bible" hes instanly wrong. People challenge yourselves and find out for yourselves thats the only way. Its really strange that in historcai fact the graves of jesuses dicpiles cant be found. If they were great as its written in the bible im sure someone should know where these tombs are. ive searched and havent found any bookor anything to support they were buried. Keep your Mind Open don't believe the same lies over and over again. Like its was said earlier if the bible tells one untruth then you have to really ask yourself and wonder about the rest of it.

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  21. Ben it is great that you are a truth seeker at such a young age & that alone will be of great worth for you.
    But you are doing exactly what many Egyptologists & Afrocentrics do & have done .

    You have found a few inaccuracies & that was enough to convince you to place Hagin's is wrong on any other possible point.
    You may also feel it is not in your best interest what he says so that fuels your opposing view of him & others.

    This is what many Afrocentrics have done as well.
    In finding that one Scholar was wrong on a certain idea they have concluded that it is possible that many sitting or standing scholars who have spoken on the same topic have possibly gotten it wrong as well. Majority or might doesn’t make right. This has been proven in Church history as well with folks like Galileo

    But to Hagin’s CREDIT though, he WAS for large part of his like a BIG proponent of the Euro/Judaeo/Christian philosophy & in being that he has given up a lot of monetary benefit by now having discovering & teaching foundational truths about Euro/Judeo/Christian history that he was not aware of previously.

    For these reasons personally I don’t think the Serapis issue is heavy enough by itself to discredit EVERYTHING he says because most EVRYTHING he says he asks his listeners to look up for themselves. What I left over is mostly his pointing out what the Bible ITSELF is saying verses how it is commonly interpreted.

    VERY little of what he teaches is BASED his own personal thought. So this is the hurdle we are dealing with the bigger picture that comes to light or is even deduced when we examine the part that the various ecumenical councils of the Catholic Church played in giving Jesus all that we commonly & now without much question attribute to Jesus; his humanity, his deity all of this was DECIDED by the Catholic church NOT the Bible!

    ssessment of Hagin's and possibly others of his ilk but if that works for you you must understand that it also works for people who have come to understand that it doesn't matter that many scholars agree on an idea such as Jesus was a real person because the flipside is Hagin's & many others understand that

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  22. Hi again Ben (with less typos & ill edited parts I re-post slightly more comprehendible)

    It is great that you are a truth seeker at such a young age & that alone will be of great worth for you.
    But you are doing exactly what many Egyptologists & Afrocentrics do & have done .

    You have found a few inaccuracies & that was enough to convince you to place Hagin's is wrong on any other possible point.
    You may also feel it is not in your best interest what he says so that fuels your opposing view of him & others.

    This is what many Afrocentrics have done as well.
    In finding that one Scholar was wrong on a certain idea they have concluded that it is possible that many sitting or standing scholars who have spoken on the same topic have possibly gotten it wrong as well. Majority or might doesn’t make right. This has been proven in Church history as well with folks like Galileo

    But to Hagin’s CREDIT though, he WAS for large part of his like a BIG proponent of the Euro/Judaeo/Christian philosophy & in being that he has given up a lot of monetary benefit by now having discovering & teaching foundational truths about Euro/Judeo/Christian history that he was not aware of previously.

    For these reasons personally I don’t think the Serapis or any one issue is heavy enough by itself to discredit EVERYTHING he says because most EVRYTHING he says he asks his listeners to look up for themselves. What is left over is mostly his pointing out what the Bible ITSELF is saying verses how it is commonly interpreted.

    VERY little of what he teaches is BASED his own personal thought. So this is the hurdle we are dealing with the bigger picture that comes to light or is even deduced when we examine the part that the various ecumenical councils of the Catholic Church played in giving Jesus all that we commonly & now without much question attribute to Jesus; his humanity, his deity all of this was DECIDED by the Catholic church NOT the Bible!

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  23. Can everyone just watch Joseph Atwills new documentary Ceasars Messiah....

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  24. Dr. Ray Hagins, must be telling truth for the owner of this blog to come out against him. Anytime, someone start waking people up there is always a gate keeper.

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  25. God Bless You Ben Keep Up The Good Work

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  26. So we have people getting all worked up by this? I am in Africa right now and have hard evidence of the church lies. You see, we Ngunis have an ancestor that we call Nkulunkulu-meaning the greatest of grandfathers. The church in the bid to soften us for the rule by the colonial masters have written in our version of both the old and new testaments that, the sad Nkulunkuliu created heaven and earth, and also was the father of jesus christ!!!! If that was the case would it not make a lot of common sense to assume that we were supposed to be the first ones to know? As for Ben to say that Arabs committed genocide on black africans, it is sad because that is a bad indicator of one who tries to defend a murderous establishment without a proper understanding of the same. The church, Ben, is the brainchild of the Illuminati, as were the Knight Tamplers, which they later tortured and killed. Talking of the murderous history of the church, please read The Hummer of Witches. Yes Ben, when someone says God does not exist, don't be fast to shout wrong again read the Bible Dynasty

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    1. So God does not exist, where did the world come from? Basic I know. You can take God out of the picture in your answer when you respond and let's see how it goes. In your answer, don't state what you don't believe, but what you do believe about the origin of the world. State clearly without any gaps or missing links.

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  27. By the way Ben, have you read about a character called Arius Piso son of Aria? And have also read about the the "Jewish" rebellion led by a false Messiah called Bar Kokhba? And did you know that Constantine made christianity a state religion in 325 ad? If your mind thinks well, do you think the emperor was doing this for the spiritual well being of his subjects?

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  28. Excellent article, Ben. You answered the original claim and the comments with well-researched facts. That kind of quality investigative work is rare and I LOVED reading it.

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  29. Jesus said all those that came before Him were thieves and robbers!!

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  30. Hello everyone. I took the time to review everyones comments before interjecting my own. I have found it to be a most interesting discussion. In my research I have found proponents of those who have offered evidence for the historical Jesus, as well as those who offer an opposing point of view, citing their evidence as well. So who is right and who is wrong? As individuals with the perogative to exercise free thinking and free choice... one has the option to believe or to disbelieve and truth is not determined by whoever can shout the loudest. Facts are Facts...however, whose Facts is it that will prevail? Often times, Fact is based on ones perception and understanding of the information they are reviewing. I've heard the discussions regarding whether or not Columbus first discovered what we call America. However, how do you discover a place where people are already living their with their own culture and society having been in existence for many years and yet, the case can be also made that for Columbus, it can be said that it was indeed an initial discovery for him. It is all about perception and how you see it.

    Truth is Truth whether or not we accept it, but the problem is... whose Truth? what your understanding and acceptance is as being Truth for you may not be my understanding of what is Truth. We all can interpret Facts in many ways, it is generally the accepted standard by the majority which determines Truth in our society today. It is the phenomenon know as "Group Think". But, it is also true that the majority can also be in error, so this presents us with a paradox. (continued below)

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  31. There is however, a principle we all accept and practice either consciously or unconsciously and it is the principle of Faith. Yes, I said Faith, for we all have faith in something. For those who accept Christianity, it is Yeshua called Jesus and for those who do not believe, you too believe in something...it is known as Science. So let me propose this...we all believe in the principles of Mathematics. There is a law governing one of its principles which we know as "The Law Of Probability". Such a law states that there is a 50% chance you could be right regarding an issue, but it also acknowledges that there is a 50% chance that I could be right. So consider this; lets say for those who believe there is no God, that you are right. Well, that would mean that we are born to parents who may or may not love us. We attend school and may or may not egt an education. We may or may not attend a college. We may or may not become wealthy. We may or may not marry. We may or may not have a family, but along the way... we may or may not experience some degree of joy in our lives,then when it is all over, we simply die and that's it. Being honest, I believe we all could accept that on some level.

    Now consider the alternate scenario. Let's say that there is a God, who created everything...and let's say he has a son who he sent to die for the inappropiate behavior of mankind, but was resurrected and has gone to his home beyond this universe. Let's say he has given us certain guidelines for us to follow which upon having followed them, you will be accepted to live with him forever upon his return. Now if the possibility of this being true exists...then here is how it all plays out.

    For the non-believer... if death is all there is after this life has ended, then living life has not consequences at this point. For one just dies and thats it. But, if what the believers believe turns out to be actually true and one dies, then there exists consequences for our actions (good or bad). Now given the 50/50 odds...I know some professional gamblers who would not play those odds in Vegas. So, why would one play roulette with their soul? You would think that under the circumstances, if one was to err, one would err on the side of caution, as the saying goes. Therefore, it regarding this overall discussion...simply a matter of Faith. Faith that what is in the Bible is true or Faith that what is in the Bible is false. But are you really willing to place that bullet in the chamber, spin it and then place the "Revolver of Fate" to your head and pull the trigger? Just want you all to think about it.

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    1. Well said. We cannot change our minds after we die. Unfortunately, some do not believe in God but believe in nothing. In that case the only other alternative is self. Then anything anybody believes is the truth even though contradictory. That is unthinkable, illogical, inconceivable and absurd. That's why the world has been derailed and just running its own course and killing everything in its path even the babies before they come into the world. I believe there is an absolute in the person of God!!!

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  32. I just wanted to add this concluding thought to my comments regarding the Faith Issue. We all acknowledge that there exists opposing forces within the universe, within nature and within thought. There is right and wrong, there is good and bad, strong and weak, left and right, etc. Since we have these parallels, in presenting information concerning a particular topic, we can apply logic or reasoning to come to a reasonable conclusion. However, all is still established on the foundation of Faith. Faith that a thing is True or Faith that it is False. Because of this, we tend to go around in circles with our point, counterpoint discussions. If what you believe is what you believe, ok. But please recognize that your belief is govern only by YOUR Faith in it, given whether or not sound logic can be applied to your belief. However, sometimes Faith does defy logic and we must recognize that as well. Scientists have concluded that based on the principles of aerodynamics, the Bumble Bee should not be able to fly...but the Bumble Bee doesn't know that, so it just flies. Sometimes we find ourselves as a dog chasing it's tail going around in circles, when just applying Faith would simply resolve an issue. Either you have Faith that a thing is... or that it is not... but it is still Faith regardless of which way YOU MAY CHOOSE to believe. Do not seek to impose your Faith on others. Simply state your belief and then leave all else for the opposing thinker to accept or reject the belief for themselves. Constantly going in circles with point, counterpoint information only fosters confusion, then resentment of others...and life is entirely to short for any of us to waste precious time demonstrating this. Give information and encourage others to investigate it, then leave it alone. I respect and accept anyones right to disagree with me, but if you do...then for me it just stops there, because constantly bombarding you with more information will only cause confusion if there is a bombardment of opposing information being given to you as well. I leave it up to you to exercise your right to apply Faith to the situation and then whatever you decide, be man or woman enough to accept the consequences of your decision (right or wrong), then let's all move on from there.

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  33. Anyway, the scriptures in the Bible are not true stories.

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    1. I don't care what ever you guys said about my Savior Jesus Christ. This morning I talked to him and he responded to me back.I was nothing.Jesus changes my life completely. He died for me and guys even now you disrespecting him, he still love you guus even Ray Hagins
      In the name of Jesus Christ
      Love
      Franciyou Pierre Jean

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    2. next time you have a chat with your buddy jesus, could you ask him to do something about these terrorists? and maybe do something about pretty much the entire middle east? that is if he isn't too busy doing nothing

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  34. Satan is not only the Father of all lies but a Counterfeiter. He read the old testament and knew a Savior was coming and put as many road blocks and destractions in the way that he could. Don't be deceived. Study to show thy self approved.

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  35. Religion is the opiate of the masses. Do a search for "The Official Website of the Henry Laurency Publishing Company". Read the approximately 129 page work by Lars Adelskogh called "The Explanation". I am certain this will give you all some food for thought.

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  36. The Bible is NOT a story about REAL PEOPLE WHO EVER LIVED! It is a tainted, adulterated attempt to speak to UNIVERSAL truths! The problem is it in doing so it espouses deception & outright LIES!

    For one thing Galatians 4:22 - 4:26 reveals if you have eyes to see & ears to hear that Abraham, Sarah, Hagar, Isaac & Ishmael are ALL "ALLEGORY"

    This means they were NOT real living people but characters used in attempt to explain different "covenants"

    If Abraham was NOT living human being then I am very sorry to disappoint you guys but there CANNOT have been ANY "HEBREW" PEOPLE AT ALL!!! let alone any "Jesus"

    People please understand I was raised just like SO MANY of us are to believe in this mythical person & our heads have been twisted but NOT more than our HEARTS!

    The Heart is the MOST POWERFUL ORGAN IN THE BODY & conducts more electromagnetic energy than our BRAINS DO!

    Once we have wrapped our minds & our HEARTS around even a MYTHICAL BEING it is ALWAYS GOING TO TAKE EFFORT & PURPOSE to LET EVENA LIE GO!!!

    BUT we MUST in order to be open to the energies of the UNIVERSAL INTELLIGENCE known as GOD!

    Just because JESUS never existed DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE NO LOVE EMINATING FROM THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE & the TRUE SPIRIT of GOD HIM/HERSELF!!!

    You WILL SURVIVE after DISCARDING "JESUS" I PROMISE YOU!!!

    He won't mind because he NEVER WAS ...in fact YOU are HE in terms of the life energy YOU GIVE to this MYTH ...the pain you feel for him is ONLY YOUR PAIN he has no feelings no emotions no brain no soul no personhood THAT DOESN"T MEAN there is NO GOD MASTER CREATOR!!!

    I am VERY happy that THE CREATOR has saw fit for me to live in TRUTH!
    YOU CAN TOO!!!

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  37. First of all, a rational person would be able to reason that if the "people of Israel" were slaves in Egypt for so long, Then they would have to have learn the history, customs, religion and culture and one could say maybe even be assimilated into the society. Notice I said "people of Israel" and not "Children of Israel" because that was a psychological tool to bring on sympathy. The point is that the ten commandments would have be plagiarized from the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
    Then you see all these white people of the Jewish religion that claim Abraham is their father and adamant that the world is six thousand years old and even tell the time of day creation started. Well, what about the many layers of civilizations with houses, streets and more that have be discovered in Africa that pre-dates any recorded history. For that reason alone all the creation story and dates are false. One has to look at the whole picture as it were to draw a proper conclusion because most of bible stories were take from much older civilizations.
    Finally, Its all about RACE one way or another and people will fools them selves to say its not. A people that have nothing take a story and call it there own and call themselves the chosen when they have no historical or ethnical ties to Palestine but when people are starting to question their store the go into Ethiopia and kidnap the only people with a credible form of the religion and assimilate them into their society to validate their story. Well the world is waking up the truth.
    I wonder how many white people would still be Christians if they knew that Jesus would have to be a dark skinned man if he existed the way he is portrayed. Christianity has been a way to enslave the black man and steal his land, wealth, religions and resources. Look at wealth of many wealthy families and countries today that raped Africa to this day of its people, gold, diamonds, oil and minerals and gave the a revamped religion so they can look for a white god to come back and save them.

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    1. Or since the ancient Egyptian and Israelite language are both afrasan languages we would see similarities. Ancient Egyptian and semetic speakers have had interaction since early dynastic times. Trade , migration , settlement was a visual case between Egypt ,Canaan or the east people learned from eachother not stole . Correction the practitioner ( not all) of Christianity have used psychology and not the true principles of yeshua . They did not walk in the ways of yeshua.

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  38. Ben,

    Thank you so much for rebuking the deceit and misunderstanding coming out of the Devil's mouth, via Ray Higgins! It is IMPORTANT that we as true believers in The Way SPEAK UP to counter these false claims against our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and clear up the mis-information and misunderstanding that is stealing and choking the seeds of faith for so many. It is IMPORTANT that though we may not speak well, that we speak words of faith against the devil who wants no one and I mean NO ONE to come into right relationship with our Father in Heaven, our Creator. It is important that we speak and not remain silent. So thank you Ben. Keep speaking the truth. Well done.

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    1. Your Jesus does not appear in human thought until fairly recently. Satan appears in Judaism much earlier but with wholly different connotations. For you to assume that these are now truisms just because somebody says so is foolish. Rational, healthy people do not prostrate themselves because of some old fairy tales. You need psychological help.

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  39. What I found soo profound is how Willie Lynch references the lustrious King in his speech in Virginia on how to control the slave..

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  40. I don't care what nobody says Jesus is realy,the father is real an so is the devil. So I'd rather live my life believing that JESUS CHRIST is the way the truth and life,and die to find out he's not ,than live my life that he never existed and die to find out he did and I was wrong. And then bam I'm in he'll being tormented by the devil. SO I CHOOSE FROM MY FREE WILL ,that JESUS CHRIST is my lord and Savior

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  41. jesus story is notten than a dam lie. it is use to control the mind of the black man. For him not to kill the white man for what he have done to him.

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    1. Not all white people But good Point

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  42. Labeling an infinite being limits it to the finite prowess and cognitive abilities of those individuals desiring a symbol, an idol to worship; a hero to rally behind, to kill in the "name" of. This tired habit satiates the like and ilk of every savior following ever.
    If you're looking for a savior, find a mirror.
    You are the only one coming to save "You" from yourself.

    Be still. Know that you are. That is all. Any addition to this simple recipe serves to cheapen your presence within Now.

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  43. Belief is a higher brain function, a primary filter for environmental stimulus. Based on your belief you will collect, compile, and process sensory stimulus according to your individual belief construction. Christians, and other religions, have a play book to instruct the believer in how to process sensory stimulus beyond their personal level of intellect. People unable to reason and accept the randomness of life run to saviors to offload their "troubles" dealing with Nature.
    If reason were cultivated in any religion, that religion would be of temporary utility, being that each believer within would be prepared to eventually reason for themselves.

    You don't see that with religions today. You see the obstruction in the development of reason in favor of prophetic profits and contentious control.

    Build your beliefs as you will, you're gonna die someday.

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  44. Another Ray Haggins hater. Are you god were you there at the Nicean counsel.
    Quit hating on the truth. Remember there are two sides to every story. The European claims that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world but can't prove it. The jews claim they were in slavery for 400 years but can't prove it, they also claimed six million were exterminated by Hitler and that's a lie. You haters need to quit.

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  45. Matthew 24: 4-5 New King James Version (NKJV)
    4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.

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  46. See what the European barbarians did to history conquering the earth, now the United States is in Iraq doing the same to history.

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  47. God bless you Ben. Keep up the good work.

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  48. "What I have learned is that a whole lot of people with degrees don't know a damn thing, and a lot of people with no degrees are brilliant." Dr. Henrik Clarke.

    I was a "Christian" minister for nearly 30 years. What I have learned is that one must look at WHO is the origin for what many think are teachings from God. Who named the religious system "Christianity?" Who compiled 66 scrolls into a book and named it "The Bible?" Who calls this book "holy?" Who took it upon himself to "authorize" this book? Who has pushed the notion that this book is "The Word of God?" (Isn't Jesus supposed to be The Word of God?). Who has arrogated himself to portray God, Jesus, Adam, Eve, Angels, etc in the likeness of the European? Who has used "Christianity" to exercise power and control over the world and to justify the perpetration of evil upon the human family? Answer: The man of European descent. Friends, they are not God or gods! What would arrogate ANY race among the human family to do such a thing and aggressively impose it upon a people and tell them to accept it or else meet God's wrath? Additionally, why are so many of us Black folk so afraid? Neither Christianity or any religious system has the power of life and death and they certainly are not proxies for The Most High. Yet, many are fearful of White skin and view them as deities.

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  49. A jewish man we know today as "Jesus" from Galilee probably existed at one point in time...that's pretty much the main thing Ray Hagins has missed. Other, than that Hagins is spot on - the author of this blog has disproved nothing else.

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    1. Hey not so smart one You will not find the word JEW are Hebrew before 3 AD and if you study you find out the Hebrew Language comes from Greek Language and is not a Language but about Sound Vibration and Symbols Study !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  50. a Jewish rabbi told me years ago,"we have never told your people the truth". Take that money out of the churches and watch them all give up the truth!

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  51. I've enjoyed reading the differences of opinion and belief on this blog and others. As a Black "Christian" (I use term loosely, I refer to myself as Yahushuaian) of many years, I have come to this conclusion. Matthew 5:8: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. With our many differences of opinion, it all boils down this scripture. It based on faith in God and pure desire of him. We maybe wrong in some of out thinking and even practices, in the end God will only allow in Heaven those who diligently desired, seek and worshiped him. Not what you said, not what you did and know. God looks at SEES your HEART only!

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  52. I stumbled upon this article ..awesome find..Keep up the good work Ben!

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  53. May you read the Collins Random House College Dictionary- That will give you an idea of what Serapis is! You are not telling the truth when you say Dr Ray Higgins is a lair. The question of the historicity of iesous/yah-zeus/jesus( a name you will not find in the KJV 1611 edition), was shot down by the imperial decree of Constantine at the council of Nicea 325 AD. By the way, what Hebrew/Aramiac name would take the form of jesus, not to mention christ? If you still in doubt, read the comparison between the Nicene creeds 325 AD, and that of 381 AD before continuing with feeding humanity the same poison that the system wants people to believe! By the way, the letter 'j' started appearing in the 17 th century. If Dr Higgins no longer engages with you, it is because you are a pathetic apologetic of the system, and he does not have time for your kind. The lie is not to be found in external sources alone, but the byblos of helios itself if you did care to read it-not vertically, but horizontally. What happened to the Emmanuel that you claim was prophesied by Isia by the way?

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  54. What more could a devil due to this planet that the white man has not done already. Truly he must be the devil.

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  55. What more could a devil due to this planet that the white man has not done already. Truly he must be the devil.

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  57. If you give me no explanation is necessary if you do not know explanation will do

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  58. If you believe no explanation is necessary if you do not know explanation will do.

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  59. If you believe no explanation is necessary if you do not know explanation will do.

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  60. Ben:
    The “Serapis letter” itself is full of anachronisms demonstrating this point. Hadrian was only in Egypt in 130, and the letter mentions his adopted son Lucius Aelius, who Hadrian did not adopt until six years after. Hadrian also salutes Servianus as consul, but Servianus did receive position as consul until 134. The letter also mentions the “Patriarch of Jewry,” a position that did exist until he created it after the Jewish Revolt in 132.

    Glanwill W. Bowersock, in a proceeding volume of the Genevan conference on the Historiae Augusae gives a scholastic survey of the dating of the texts. He writes:

    “The presence of fiction in the Historia Augusta is by now an established fact.

    Steefen / YouTube Video Producer, Subscriber WBFbySteefen for the video "New Conclusions and Perspectives on Christianity (2016 Forward)"

    The presence of fiction in the Bible is now an established fact also. For your counter-attack to be persuasive, you will have to go into the appearance of Christianity and the appearance of Serapis Worship in Alexandria, 40 C.E to 140 C.E.

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  61. The fact that Dr. Hagins preaches "against" the teachings of the bible yet it is being stated that he believes in "virgin birth" is a conflict of statement, from what I'm reading (hey, you wrote it).

    Having a background in the social sciences was just another factor that helped me avoid this pitfall called "religion." If you are not going to educate yourself, it's best not to lead others astray with your eyes "closed" as well...

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  62. The Bible is a book of prophecies and the records of the Israelites. Many of the prophecies have come to past and more to manifest.


    Deuteronomy 28:15 list the curses that came upon God's chosen. The nation (not state) of Israel for disobeying God's laws, statutes & commandments. Deuteronomy 28:68 indicates how you would know who the "TRUE"children of Israel are today. God's chosen people were brought back into "Egypt" (BONDAGE=slavery) on ships (Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade). This was prophecy that came to past.

    The prophets in the bible were given visions of the end time. Revelations is filled with end time prophecies! This is a book that MANY have tried to dissect and debunk to no avail and never will.

    The Most High doesn't need a co-signer on anything written in the scriptures and there is no other book you can mate with the bible. Your degrees, certifications, licenses, so forth and so on cannot give you the understanding of the scriptures.
    It's only through being of the chosen people of God (the Israelites) repenting, keeping His laws, statutes & commandments that He will give you the spiritual understanding (and not the literal) of the scriptures.

    So as it is written in 2 Corinthians 4:3 -But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost.

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  63. There is no such thing as the chosen people.......thats bullshit. God loves all his creations. Bible is not the word of God.....

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    1. @smackitfat - First let me clear something up. The God I'm speaking of is the God of Israel and NOT your God Cesare Borgia. You stated "There is no such thing as the chosen people." But read Deuteronomy 7:6, 14:2, Chronicles 6:6, 1Peter 2:9, Exodus 20 (just a few scriptures for you to start reading). You also stated "God loves all his creations." God created us all but He only chose and loved Israel (the 12 tribes). Read Luke 1:68, Romans 9:13-18, John 4:22, Matthew 15:24 (just a few scriptures for you to start reading). And last, you stated "Bible is not the word of God." but the scriptures says it is. Read Isaiah 34:16. The Bible is a book of prophecies that have come to pass, there are prophecies from the Bible that are currently manifesting and prophecies that are very soon to come which will bring the end of this world. In the Apocrypha 2Esdras 6:56 God says the other nations are like spittle and like a drop that falleth from a vessel. The other nations mean NOTHING to God. If you read the book (with understanding) you will see the Bible is all about God's laws, statutes and commandments given to the children of Israel. It's the Israelites holy book. God did NOT give His laws to any other nation BUT the the children of Israel. The children of Israel (Jacob's 12 sons who are the 12 tribes) is the nation that God chose. God hates Esau (Jacob's fraternal brother) Romans 9:13 and the other other nation but He LOVES Israel. Esau is the progenitor of the so-called "white" race. We are in the end time and God stated He will have no mercy on Esau. EVERYTHING Edom has done to God's chosen people will be done unto them. Galatians 6:7. Edom is going into slavery. Rev 13:10, Exodus 21:16. Then the God of Israel is going to destroy Edom FOREVER! Read the book of Obadiah. It's only one chapter but its a POWERFUL one chapter book in the Bible!

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    2. Thank you My Brother

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  64. Ben one thing that I notice is you get on Dr Ray Hagins but not the Ku Klux Klan or any other racist european organization's who claim that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior

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  65. Ben one thing that I notice is you get on Dr Ray Hagins but not the Ku Klux Klan or any other racist european organization's who claim that Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior

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